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Added: August 17th, 2009
From: DT
Channel: CDJ-2000 & CDJ-900 - Dawn of a new species, James Zabiela
Tags: CDJ-2000 & CDJ-900 - Dawn of a new species
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EXCLUSIVE! James Zabiela hints at what you can expect next from Pioneer.
Watch the dawn of a new species . . .
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Comment by Donald Piret, August 17th, 2009 @ 7:38 pm
Oh my god… can’t wait to find out what this is, but it’s definitely going to be good!
Comment by Andy, August 17th, 2009 @ 8:02 pm
CDJ 1000Mk4??
Comment by Ed, August 17th, 2009 @ 8:52 pm
It’ll be a USB driven player/controller. Rumoured to cost more than the 1000s so if you live in the UK then it’ll be around 1200 quid per unit I reckon. Which is getting on for robbery if I’m proved true.
Comment by Frankkodj, August 18th, 2009 @ 12:05 am
Prob be a midi USB controller type thing, over priced waaaay too much stick with vestax vci 100/300 boom!! Never looked back @ cdjs!
Comment by Manny C, August 18th, 2009 @ 7:23 am
If this is Pioneer’s answer to the NS7, things might get interesting!!
Comment by Marco, August 18th, 2009 @ 7:31 am
Pioneer is way over priced, get real on your prices.
It’s a recession dude, whatever it is it better be priced well or your going to be doing to have a hard time selling your new unproven species. Djs all over the country are having a hard time getting gigs as clubs have suffered from declining clientele.
I’m willing to bet that its some kind of midi controller, Pioneer is way to late to the midi game. I wouldn’t call that a new species. Since its a Pio I would call it an expensive species.
Comment by Sa, August 18th, 2009 @ 9:31 am
Everyone who says pioneer are too expensive are clowns! It is the industry standard! Everyone is anyone uses it. Quit your whining. I’d like to thank dj sounds for the wonderful insight i cant wait! Dont know how soon i’ll get them cuz i SAVED UP and got 2 mk3s and a djm800+efx1000 but sounds great will definately be looking into scoring some new wicked pioneer gear. Maybe some of the penny pinchers out there should start saving now if they wanna get top of the line gear. Maybe they cud buy half a cdj when it comes out hahaha
Thanks again DJ Sounds and pioneer
Cheers!
Comment by Ryan Peak, August 18th, 2009 @ 11:55 am
It will definetly be some kind of cd playing device ! The first light in the middle of the video is definetly a light that is used to enlight the Slot-in of pioneer cdj´s.
I hope it will be a new one, it´s about time.
I´ll get myself two of these, no matter what the price is…..
Comment by Desmond, August 18th, 2009 @ 12:13 pm
It is the cdj 2000 mk1
Comment by the ONE, August 18th, 2009 @ 12:21 pm
Pioneer is known to be a follower not a very innovative company, just good at what they do… polish a turd and sell it as if it were a diamond. Most dj’s hated it when cdj’s came out they just wanted to stick to Turntables but due to Exessive marketing budget (don’t forget these guys were making car hifi, flatscreen tv’s etc.) they forced the dj’s to start using them and now it’s the industry standard. It’s way to expensive So to all the guyz trying to talk down on people with less money?
if the amount off money you have is going to make You the best DJ? You’re just pathetic.
besides… it has allready been proven that if the equipment is to expensive? it doesn’t sell their DVJ was a flop and their incredible video mixer which crashes all the time is even worse!
DVS is the current revolution and MIDI control is the future
All common Human inventions… nothing alien about that.
Comment by Loudist, August 18th, 2009 @ 1:36 pm
A few points;
1) Pioneer is know as only a moderately innovative company because they spend their time ensuring that things actually work - and will work for a long time - rather than rushing out a POS that’s leapt on whatever is the new must-have techy gimmick.
2)Most DJ’s hated it when CDJ’s came out and wanted to stick to their turntables because most DJ’s are Luddites who fear change.
3) The CDJ-1000 (and all its subsequent replacements) became the industry standard through sheer reliability …and DJ’s only started using CD’s because they are inherently lazy people - and when it (VERY slowly) dawned on them that CD’s were more convenient than vinyl (This also explains the painfully slow transition to DJ’ing off a hard drive, btw), Technics started losing sales. Nobody “forced” anybody do anything, especially not with an “excessive” advertising budget.
4) I don’t know where to start with all the, “It’s too expensive”, “People with less money being talked down to”, “Just because you’re richer than me, doesn’t make you a better DJ, just pathetic”, stuff because it’s bollocks, more or less. The chip on your shoulder seems to be impairing your judgement. Besides which, ‘expensive’ is subjective - you can either afford things, or not.
5) DVS is merely a product - just like a CDJ - and MIDI control is only the future if you live in 1982.
I’m no slavish Pioneer devotee, but to say they don’t make a good product is just stupid. They’re rarely cutting-edge, but they’re bloody Tonka Toys on the road - and that’s all working DJ’s really care about.
Comment by Ryan Peak, August 18th, 2009 @ 3:43 pm
tooooo expensive……bla bla…..sure Pioneer equipment is not the cheapest but there is NO (!!!) Cd Player that can fuck with a cdj 1000 at the moment….I mean look at all the other “Toys” Reloop, Numark, etc…. They are way cheaper but the quality is absolutely not good in any consideration.
Good Equipment is more expensive than bad equipment. (Look @ technics turntables)
Expensive Equipment doesn´t make anyone a better Dj. But you need good reliable gear to work efficiently.
If the equipment is crap, you can have a very uncomfortable evening in a club!
Comment by D-Clips, August 18th, 2009 @ 7:27 pm
Regardless of how good they are, pioneer kit is wayyy overpriced, I do love the cdj’s they make and thier mixers, but until they come back to reality with thier prices, i wont buy a single thing off em. Its a plain RIP OFF but they know people will pay. Im happy using clubs decks and having none of my own, after all mixing is like riding a bike, once youve learned…
Comment by Green, August 18th, 2009 @ 9:12 pm
Yeah Pioneer need to cool it with there over-priced products. Software is taking us forward but hardware is just taking us into debt. For me this is pioneers last chance to pull something special out of the bag.
Comment by Ed, August 19th, 2009 @ 12:25 am
The issue surely is if it is a CD/USB/MIDI hybrid is how many more features it has than the Denon DNS 3700 which currently retails for a reasonable £770.
Comment by Jose, August 19th, 2009 @ 1:06 am
I think it will be a MEP7000 kind of player, with a LCD display in a CDJ1000 coat.
It will play CD’s but you can also connect a HD.
Futher it will get a light ring platter (CDR400),
but not with redlight. It will be with white light.
What do you think…
Comment by dj_dyl, August 19th, 2009 @ 10:14 am
LMAo at over priced i been running a cmx 3000 for 7 years and never had a glitch or even thought bout getting it serviced in that time i been through four mixers try and get that life from anything else
Comment by Markku Uttula, August 19th, 2009 @ 8:10 pm
Possibly something like my conjecture in http://pikkumarkku.blogspot.com/2009/08/so-what-are-pioneer-species.html
Comment by Ed, August 20th, 2009 @ 1:27 am
I reckon it’ll look something like that as well Markku- possibly with a USB port on the top left or right hand side:).
Comment by Markku Uttula, August 20th, 2009 @ 1:55 am
Perhaps you missed it, but the picture does have USB-port on the topleft corner (just like the one on CDJ-400 … in fact, in the picture the port is the one from CDJ-400:)
Comment by Ed, August 20th, 2009 @ 1:58 am
Apologies- I’m pretty sure we’ll have a picture of it soon leaked:).
Comment by Iankoo, August 20th, 2009 @ 4:36 pm
While I was searching for some info about the new product, I stumbled upon a drawing. If you have’t seen it yet, take a look!
http://www.iankoo.ro/reviews/41-news-for-djs/78-pioneer-cdj-1000-mk-iv.html
Comment by Markku Uttula, August 20th, 2009 @ 6:29 pm
@lankoo: That is quite an old picture, and there is one major reason I don’t buy it… it is filled with “denonisms”; direction fwd/both(?), pitch bend buttons (ok, Pioneer has these on doubledeck players, but they make no sense on a player with large enough platter that doesn’t rotate) and a “tempo tap” button… when has Pioneer ever needed one
Of course, there is also the thing that the author of that picture was sloppy; s/he didn’t bother to draw the platter in vector (instead, a bitmap seems to have been used) and there are spelling errors in the user interface (and as not to forget to mention the fact that I don’t honestly see Pioneer ever using Arial as their design font:)
Comment by Scott G, August 20th, 2009 @ 9:11 pm
I would say this is the MK4 cdj. Which would have the capability to plug in a hard drive or laptop and will read your track titles right on the player.. About time!! I just hope there not $3000 a piece. I’m tired of burning cd’s myself!!!
Comment by Tranquera, August 21st, 2009 @ 2:09 am
Hummm! The pictures aren’t revealing too much…
Comment by A little too late, August 22nd, 2009 @ 2:03 am
I’m not surprised at all by this announcement. The sad thing is, that it might be a little too late for them to be bringing out something like this. Pioneer is already knocking on death’s door. Use Google and look for “Pioneer bailout”. You’ll find some articles talking about them asking for help from Japan in the form of a major bailout. In case you guys were not aware, their US DJ division is very small compared to their European division. In my opinion, they care more about sales in Europe than North America. Pioneer has fallen way behind when it comes to innovative DJ products. Also, when you guys hear what this new deck is going to cost you will probably laugh. Who is Pioneer trying to fool? How long do they think they can continue to shove over priced products down the throats of the DJ masses? I guess the “lemmings” out there must truly believe in the massive Pioneer marketing machine; that just because some big high profile DJ uses Pioneer decks and mixers (which by the way were probably given to them for free in the first place), that if they buy their own Pioneer stuff, that they’ll be cool take more seriously by their friends and peers (I guess peer pressure’s a biatch). I feel pity for these people. Instead of listening to Pioneer’s hype, you guys should go and test out the many different DJ gear available, and then buy what’s best for YOUR needs, and not listen to what Pioneer is telling you to buy. An informed buyer is a company’s biggest asset (or nightmare). If all a company ever builds is stuff that is over priced and lacks reliability and features, they will eventually fall by the way side (and my dear friends, Pioneer is already walking on a very slippery slope without any safety net to help break their fall if they do faultier). Now I’m sure there will be some die hard Pioneer users and owners that will try and pick my post apart, but it’s kind pointless to do so when all I have posted is fact. Just open your eyes and see for yourself what they are really all about. Don’t be a Pioneer follower, make your own choices.
And for those of you that don’t beleive the bailout thing, read this.
From the New York Times published June 30, 2009:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/01/business/global/01chip.html
At the bottom of that article it states:
“Another company, Pioneer, a long-struggling electronics maker, is expected to seek billions of yen in aid. Excessive government intervention “hampers necessary consolidation and industry shake-out, sapping the nation’s industrial vigor,” Nikkei, Japan’s largest business daily, wrote in a recent editorial. “The government fosters moral hazard if it extends a helping hand too readily.””
It will be sad to see them go.
Peace out.
Comment by A little too late, August 22nd, 2009 @ 2:31 am
Another interesting article from April 2009.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124091275360063161.html
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“For the current fiscal year, which ends March 2010, the company projected a net loss of 83 billion yen. This would be Pioneer’s sixth consecutive annual loss. It expects to return to the black in the year ended March 2011, with a net profit of eight billion yen.
For the current year, Pioneer expects a restructuring charge of 47 billion yen, but it expects its overhaul to reduce fixed costs by 50 billion yen this fiscal year and a further 85 billion yen in the following one.
For the fiscal year that ended on March 31, Pioneer forecast a net loss of 129 billion yen, slightly narrower than a 130-billion-yen loss it projected in mid-February. It is to report full-year results May 13.”
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A net loss of $128 Billion Yen is almost 1.34 billion US! Imagine, they have been losing money like that for the past 6 years straight! And people are wondering why they need to raise prices on their equipment? I guess Pioneer thinks they can help offset those major losses with the cost of higher priced goods, but that doesn’t really work in the real world.
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And here is their up to date stock prices. Click on the 5 year button to see what has happened to their stock price since 2004.
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http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/6773?countrycode=jp
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I’m done here.
Comment by A little too late, August 22nd, 2009 @ 3:11 am
And yes, I use and own Pioneer decks (mk2’s and 3’s). That’s is why it pains me so to post this kind of stuff, but I honestly beleive that every DJ should be informed with what’s happening out there.
Comment by Stand alone player., August 22nd, 2009 @ 5:41 pm
I suspect that this is a ‘Stand alone’ digital media player.
About time pio did this but i bet the price will be too high as usual with pio.
Anyone who falls for that old ‘Industry standard’ gimmick needs to open their eyes.
Denon have already got the rest of the market now with their new products. Much more intuitive than anything pio.
Can’t wait to see this effort . Industry standard my r’s ……Standard at best.
Comment by Stand alone player., August 22nd, 2009 @ 5:43 pm
At least it looks to be a move away from the dinosaur cdj series.
Comment by Ed, August 22nd, 2009 @ 6:58 pm
The price is key with this new player- unless it it totally revelutionary then anything above the current pricing of the CDJs may seem too steep.
Comment by Pio user, August 22nd, 2009 @ 9:53 pm
“Denon have already got the rest of the market now with their new products. Much more intuitive than anything pio.”
Very true. I was quite surprised by their product’s build quality and customer support via their web forums. When I dealt with Pioneer when I had problems, it always took 3-4 weeks minimum to get something fixed (and that was a good day). That was also when my decks were under warranty too, and yes, they were sent in to an authorized Pioneer repair depot. I also had to pay out of my own pocket for shipping it there and back.
I have heard with Denon, the most time it takes to get something sent in, repaired, and sent back out (while it’s under warranty), is about a week or so. Is that true? If yes then wow! They also have a much more organized and helpful web forum for their customers. I just wish Pio had that kind of support with their forums. If you have a technical repair problem and you post in on their forums, they say “please contact the service center”, and then they lock up the post. How is that supposed to be helpful to their customers?
If this deck is the same price or more than my MK3, I may just have to take a closer look at the Denon 3700. Now that deck is packed with way more features, and costs way less than my MK3’s. Hey, at least I can get a half decent amount of money for my old mk3’s if I sold them.
Comment by Another Pio User, August 23rd, 2009 @ 10:47 pm
They send you to contact Tech Support because they can’t be held liable for anything that may happen if they tell you how to fix something i.e. you go to open up the mixer / player yourself.
Comment by Iggs, August 24th, 2009 @ 7:57 am
Pio’s are incredibly overpriced but you must be getting good “value for money”. Denon have players that do the same thing and give you 1001 more options for mixing and are cheaper and just as rock solid. their DNS 3500 for example is better in the way you can do much much more different things with it, and is made of aluminium not plastic, and it has a wheel that spins like a turntable. CDJ’s dont do any of this but because its industry standard its good value for money(more like paying a premium price for something that does alot less).
this “new species” thats coming out has to be something that will be pushed out to pretty much every club hence be usable by every dj that plays at that club on a particular night. digital seems to be the direction we are heading so it will have a usb interface. Midi is being used more and more sure surely pioneer will not miss this one. every dj that uses software must be able to just bring their laptop and just plug and play.
Comment by bims, August 24th, 2009 @ 2:33 pm
Haha…Love all these comments here. At most I adore comments like “sounds so great” by Sa. Go and get yourself a Bozak mixer to learn about what sounds good.
In fact, that whole dj industry is pissing me off for the fact that everyone makes his own piece of plastic. Until now, you have parties with four different dj boothes cause everyone uses something else.
Where are the times, when you had two turntables, a freaking mixer and a good party?
I cannot doubt, that I’m waiting to see what Pioneer delivers us, but I do not think that it is necessary to buy it. Although the type of dj that likes those little pioneer marketing films.
Comment by Jaap, August 25th, 2009 @ 3:20 am
If this is going to be a bash Pioneer party:
I live in the Netherlands and have seen lot’s of dj-booths on festivals and in clubs…..
Why have I never seen a booth with Denon tabletop players?
(19″ racks I ‘ve seen in the smaller bars as main sound system or as back-up)
Marketing can only get you sofar, so there must something else, ehhhhmmmmmm: value for money…?
I bet you that almost no DJ will ever use the extra features on an Denon deck, because it’s more handy to have those features on the mixer.
I guess it will always be a matter of taste for the bedroom dj, but when the professional has to choose… (including the companys who rent-out gear) it’ll stay Pioneer for a long time.
And for those who keep looking back at the “good-old-days” of vinyl. You don’t have to change! But I like the fact of not worn 12″es, pounds and pounds of black gold hanging on to your shoulder.
And that will change again from a bag of cd’s to 1 laptop or hdd/sdd.
I’m looking forward to the new species, and also hope that it will be affordable for those who want it. I myself have 2 CDJ-1000’s Mk3, and wanted a DJM-800, but the 700 Euro difference has driven me into the arms of a DJM-700.
Please be a DJ that does it for the love of music!
Comment by Marvelous Miguel, August 26th, 2009 @ 5:28 pm
I’ve been mixing since 1984. I’ve mixed on turntables, cd player and with controllers.
Software is the way to go. I make all my tracks on my laptop and I use Traktor for all of my live gigs. All I carry to a party is my laptop and a controller. All of the major clubs have adapted. Music and lighting are controlled with software.
If Pioneer doesn’t have a midi controller I think they are going in the wrong direction.
Comment by Leset, August 26th, 2009 @ 8:24 pm
Why the hell are you continuing to say CDJ mk that or CDJ mk that, there will be no CDJ!, perhaps HDJ or MDJ because pioneer will bet their money on a media driven controller!
FORGET about CDdriven players from pioneer in the future
And just for the record, DNS 3700 have a wavedisplay but only when you use a hardrives or thumbdrives, the autoloop also function in several modes, and for people that stand by cd / mp3 format, it blows the roof of any contender.
Nevertheless, it’s gonna be a exiting year to follow
Comment by Pioneer DJUK, August 27th, 2009 @ 12:17 am
I tend to agree with Miguel, But if you look at the last few product release from Pioneer CDJ-400, DJM-5000, MEP-7000, DJM-700 & 800 series, all are aimed at digital media over CD’d I tent to think that the CDJ-400, is the prototype for the new Pioneer Deck and reckon it will have all it’s toys and some more new toys also think tho, if you’ve seen the Pioneer CDJ Promo Videos with JZ and the sound, he gets out of them it will be some thing special probably with a special price tag I’ve noticed 200 pound price hike for the CDJ-400 in the UK over the last 3 or 4 months just because of the current financial climate. which is crazy no CDJ’s this Year (”_)… But the future is digital and heard crazy rumors in the states of a september launch and a 3000 dollar price tag WTF… This new Kit seems to be firmly aimed at the Big club or People with less sense than money. n I too use traktor with midi controllers for fx and CDJ’s or vinyl but are less big club gonna spend that kind of money on that kind of kit no is your answer… less people clubbing coz there’s less money. so as a new industry standard? get real but as always time will tell…
Comment by Sam, August 28th, 2009 @ 6:53 pm
it is a cdj with usb functions, you will only need one usb as they can link up. you will also be able to record your set live straight back on to your mem’ stick. it has a big screen also to manage all your songs.
i feel clubs are gonna have to rebuild their booths cos these things sound huge!
Comment by Pioneer DJUK, August 28th, 2009 @ 9:54 pm
sounds like a mep-7000 crossed with a CDJ-100 to me, is the price tag rumors correct tho?
Comment by Giggs, August 28th, 2009 @ 11:49 pm
This is gonnnna be siiiiiccckkkk!!
Comment by DJ Anthony, August 29th, 2009 @ 10:29 am
Would be nice to take your entire music collection with you and not being worried about a missing track or CD. A hard disc or laptop is better than a few heavy CD wallets. Imagine looking a track - you could use the search functions!
Comment by yoyo, August 31st, 2009 @ 10:45 pm
aka serato
Comment by Bart Samson, September 1st, 2009 @ 7:19 pm
i’cant wait too !!! what’s that ??? i love pioneer
Comment by Frank, September 2nd, 2009 @ 12:43 pm
pioneer will probably bring the usb/ harddisk and the features that softwares like cue and traktor may offer, and the next thing would be to put the wave data screen on lower end models for more affordibility and better options and improve the quality of the wave pattern to make it more easy
Comment by Christ, September 2nd, 2009 @ 4:40 pm
If its a CD player then Pioneer need to wake up and smell the coffee, CDJ’s are old news!!! CDJ’s are no longer required in any style. Why use CD’s when you can use MP3’s and a midi controller? and if you want to have that “real feel”, then get Traktor Scratch or Serato and dust off those 1210’s you havent used for years!
If its a Midi controller - then its hardly “the dawn of a new species”!!! Pioneer are way behind all their competitors by a mile!!
if your just gunna by Pioneer equipment for the brand, then you are not a DJ, your a fashion monkey who follows the crowd!!
Comment by poobumwee, September 3rd, 2009 @ 5:23 pm
pioneer are the best, dont get denon, i have a dnhs5500 and its has many many problems.
Comment by MAC Attack, September 4th, 2009 @ 8:54 am
“pioneer are the best, dont get denon, i have a dnhs5500 and its has many many problems.”
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Don’t get the pio, it has many problems. See how stupid that sounds when you don’t give a shred of evidence to go along with a statement? Anywho, I have played around the dnhs5500, and I found it to be a remarkable deck. The dealer also told me that the little quirks and problems that some people have complained about, have been fixed or improved with various updates. I asked how much these updates cost the owners, and the sales guy said they are all free. Wow, now that’s what I call a company that cares. I just wish my MAC had free updates.
Comment by Oldskool Pio Pro, September 4th, 2009 @ 8:32 pm
Just wait and see you guys, nothing to get fired or fret about, it’s just a piece of plastic with a chip nailed to it.
The first CDJ 1000 Delivered a performance and so much more, but the competition is hard as rock today, and if Pioneer cant deliver don’t count on any more spearheaded technology.
Cause there will be two other competitors that are as close as can be.
Will this be the new dawn or the abyss for Pioneer?
Lets see what happens.
I myself are content with both CDJ mk3s and DNS 3700, don’t need nothing more in the near future, and i will certainly not pay round about, 3500$ a piece for the controlelr and on top of that 4000$ for a DJM 900 or 800mk2 whatever.
The biggest competitor Pioneer have today is LAPTOPS, they’re cheap, sound reasonally good and can do so much more than a pair of cd’s.
The future is now, but im not sure pioneer will win this race!
/S
Comment by A2B, September 11th, 2009 @ 5:00 pm
In the trailer #3 Eddie Halliwell we can see a laptop. IMO the future is laptop, midi controller, mixer, effectors, softwares.
1. software can have amount of cue always stored in memory. don’t need to reach the sweet spot every night you play.
trailer #4
Why be quick when you already have it
2. talking about productivity while you<re on your way to the club… laptop ”wink wink” software mentioned…
I don’t think it’s a new species, I suspect more of a well advanced midi controller all in one with a software already mapped.
Comment by JJ, September 17th, 2009 @ 10:15 am
cdj2000 = fail!
all been done before. check out the denon’s.
Comment by Commander B, October 12th, 2009 @ 1:55 am
Denon 3700 is now the official industry standard whether you like it or not. Pioneer cd players are overated period.
Comment by PeterX, October 14th, 2009 @ 1:36 pm
@ Commander B. Get a life, and enjoy it. But we will never switch to your Fisher Price dj gear standard.
Comment by Majkol, November 11th, 2009 @ 2:44 pm
cd players suck, and more advanced cd players, suck in a more advanced way…